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Burial of a convert out of Judaism
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowParashat Shemini + ParaCan a born-Jew who converted out of Judaism be buried in an Orthodox Jewish cemetery?Burial of ChildrenBurial in KittelBurial in SpaceUnderground crypts for burialBurial Pod- Kosher?On Burial Under the AltarDoes Judaism require burial of the dead?Subsequent burial of residual cremation remainsAbove ground burialSephardi burial in a talit
A Jewish man converts to Christianity and becomes estranged from his family. When he dies, his next-of-kin is his brother. Is the brother obligated to bury the deceased as a Christian, or can he bury him as a Jew (which he never ceased to be)? Does it make a difference whether the deceased left instructions to be buried as a Christian?
funeral-burial-levaya
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A Jewish man converts to Christianity and becomes estranged from his family. When he dies, his next-of-kin is his brother. Is the brother obligated to bury the deceased as a Christian, or can he bury him as a Jew (which he never ceased to be)? Does it make a difference whether the deceased left instructions to be buried as a Christian?
funeral-burial-levaya
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
Is this a theoretical question or connected to an actual individual? It’s a complex question with a lot of practical considerations that would relate to the particular circumstance.
– Yaacov Deane
16 hours ago
1
Pardon my ignorance, but "buried as a Christian" means the cemetery location, or the service, or something about the method of burial itself?
– Y e z
15 hours ago
Beats me. Probably all.
– Maurice Mizrahi
14 hours ago
2
related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26760/…
– Loewian
13 hours ago
1
@rosends as I understand it, you're not even obligated to obey your parents if they instruct you to violate halacha, and a sibling wouldn't have higher standing than parents.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
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A Jewish man converts to Christianity and becomes estranged from his family. When he dies, his next-of-kin is his brother. Is the brother obligated to bury the deceased as a Christian, or can he bury him as a Jew (which he never ceased to be)? Does it make a difference whether the deceased left instructions to be buried as a Christian?
funeral-burial-levaya
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
A Jewish man converts to Christianity and becomes estranged from his family. When he dies, his next-of-kin is his brother. Is the brother obligated to bury the deceased as a Christian, or can he bury him as a Jew (which he never ceased to be)? Does it make a difference whether the deceased left instructions to be buried as a Christian?
funeral-burial-levaya
funeral-burial-levaya
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
asked 17 hours ago
Maurice MizrahiMaurice Mizrahi
2,229315
2,229315
Is this a theoretical question or connected to an actual individual? It’s a complex question with a lot of practical considerations that would relate to the particular circumstance.
– Yaacov Deane
16 hours ago
1
Pardon my ignorance, but "buried as a Christian" means the cemetery location, or the service, or something about the method of burial itself?
– Y e z
15 hours ago
Beats me. Probably all.
– Maurice Mizrahi
14 hours ago
2
related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26760/…
– Loewian
13 hours ago
1
@rosends as I understand it, you're not even obligated to obey your parents if they instruct you to violate halacha, and a sibling wouldn't have higher standing than parents.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
Is this a theoretical question or connected to an actual individual? It’s a complex question with a lot of practical considerations that would relate to the particular circumstance.
– Yaacov Deane
16 hours ago
1
Pardon my ignorance, but "buried as a Christian" means the cemetery location, or the service, or something about the method of burial itself?
– Y e z
15 hours ago
Beats me. Probably all.
– Maurice Mizrahi
14 hours ago
2
related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26760/…
– Loewian
13 hours ago
1
@rosends as I understand it, you're not even obligated to obey your parents if they instruct you to violate halacha, and a sibling wouldn't have higher standing than parents.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
Is this a theoretical question or connected to an actual individual? It’s a complex question with a lot of practical considerations that would relate to the particular circumstance.
– Yaacov Deane
16 hours ago
Is this a theoretical question or connected to an actual individual? It’s a complex question with a lot of practical considerations that would relate to the particular circumstance.
– Yaacov Deane
16 hours ago
1
1
Pardon my ignorance, but "buried as a Christian" means the cemetery location, or the service, or something about the method of burial itself?
– Y e z
15 hours ago
Pardon my ignorance, but "buried as a Christian" means the cemetery location, or the service, or something about the method of burial itself?
– Y e z
15 hours ago
Beats me. Probably all.
– Maurice Mizrahi
14 hours ago
Beats me. Probably all.
– Maurice Mizrahi
14 hours ago
2
2
related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26760/…
– Loewian
13 hours ago
related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26760/…
– Loewian
13 hours ago
1
1
@rosends as I understand it, you're not even obligated to obey your parents if they instruct you to violate halacha, and a sibling wouldn't have higher standing than parents.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
@rosends as I understand it, you're not even obligated to obey your parents if they instruct you to violate halacha, and a sibling wouldn't have higher standing than parents.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
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According to this article describing the burial of a Jewish police informer in Luban, Russia (who had presumably caused much suffering on the part of his fellow Jews), Rav Moshe Feinstein was of the opinion that "after death according to Jewish law a person doesn’t own his body and cannot leave orders about his body for after death. Therefore I say you need to listen to Jewish law and bury this man in the way permitted by Jewish law.”
When the burial society which made the shayla objected to this, he continued, “It’s our job to follow the law and my job as rabbi is to make sure that the law is indeed kept. He must be buried according to Jewish law. As for his sins, he will be judged in heaven and he will get forgiveness according to his judgment. It is none of our concern.”
This would seem to indicate that we are obligated to provide even a person who "converted" to another religion with a proper, halachic Jewish burial
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
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He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
2
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
1
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
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According to this article describing the burial of a Jewish police informer in Luban, Russia (who had presumably caused much suffering on the part of his fellow Jews), Rav Moshe Feinstein was of the opinion that "after death according to Jewish law a person doesn’t own his body and cannot leave orders about his body for after death. Therefore I say you need to listen to Jewish law and bury this man in the way permitted by Jewish law.”
When the burial society which made the shayla objected to this, he continued, “It’s our job to follow the law and my job as rabbi is to make sure that the law is indeed kept. He must be buried according to Jewish law. As for his sins, he will be judged in heaven and he will get forgiveness according to his judgment. It is none of our concern.”
This would seem to indicate that we are obligated to provide even a person who "converted" to another religion with a proper, halachic Jewish burial
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
4
He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
2
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
1
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
add a comment |
According to this article describing the burial of a Jewish police informer in Luban, Russia (who had presumably caused much suffering on the part of his fellow Jews), Rav Moshe Feinstein was of the opinion that "after death according to Jewish law a person doesn’t own his body and cannot leave orders about his body for after death. Therefore I say you need to listen to Jewish law and bury this man in the way permitted by Jewish law.”
When the burial society which made the shayla objected to this, he continued, “It’s our job to follow the law and my job as rabbi is to make sure that the law is indeed kept. He must be buried according to Jewish law. As for his sins, he will be judged in heaven and he will get forgiveness according to his judgment. It is none of our concern.”
This would seem to indicate that we are obligated to provide even a person who "converted" to another religion with a proper, halachic Jewish burial
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
4
He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
2
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
1
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
add a comment |
According to this article describing the burial of a Jewish police informer in Luban, Russia (who had presumably caused much suffering on the part of his fellow Jews), Rav Moshe Feinstein was of the opinion that "after death according to Jewish law a person doesn’t own his body and cannot leave orders about his body for after death. Therefore I say you need to listen to Jewish law and bury this man in the way permitted by Jewish law.”
When the burial society which made the shayla objected to this, he continued, “It’s our job to follow the law and my job as rabbi is to make sure that the law is indeed kept. He must be buried according to Jewish law. As for his sins, he will be judged in heaven and he will get forgiveness according to his judgment. It is none of our concern.”
This would seem to indicate that we are obligated to provide even a person who "converted" to another religion with a proper, halachic Jewish burial
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
According to this article describing the burial of a Jewish police informer in Luban, Russia (who had presumably caused much suffering on the part of his fellow Jews), Rav Moshe Feinstein was of the opinion that "after death according to Jewish law a person doesn’t own his body and cannot leave orders about his body for after death. Therefore I say you need to listen to Jewish law and bury this man in the way permitted by Jewish law.”
When the burial society which made the shayla objected to this, he continued, “It’s our job to follow the law and my job as rabbi is to make sure that the law is indeed kept. He must be buried according to Jewish law. As for his sins, he will be judged in heaven and he will get forgiveness according to his judgment. It is none of our concern.”
This would seem to indicate that we are obligated to provide even a person who "converted" to another religion with a proper, halachic Jewish burial
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
answered 14 hours ago
Josh KJosh K
1,501416
1,501416
4
He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
2
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
1
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
add a comment |
4
He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
2
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
1
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
4
4
He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
He may have to be buried outside the cemetery though, like a classic perpetrator of suicide, as an evil doer.
– Double AA♦
13 hours ago
2
2
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
Great story....
– Maurice Mizrahi
13 hours ago
1
1
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
There is a story of a moser (police agent) who told the chevra kadisha that he wanted to be buried face down in repentance for what he had done. The Chevra Kadisha asked the Rav who said that he had to be buried face up like any other Jew. Later the police dug up the grave and looked at the corpse, then reburied him. It came out that he had told the police that the Jews would bury him face down in order to show their contempt for the government and the police. Even in death he had tried to cause trouble for the Jews.
– sabbahillel
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
@sabbahillel....the link is in fact to that very story. I wonder if it took place under the Czar or the Bolsheviks
– Josh K
9 hours ago
add a comment |
Is this a theoretical question or connected to an actual individual? It’s a complex question with a lot of practical considerations that would relate to the particular circumstance.
– Yaacov Deane
16 hours ago
1
Pardon my ignorance, but "buried as a Christian" means the cemetery location, or the service, or something about the method of burial itself?
– Y e z
15 hours ago
Beats me. Probably all.
– Maurice Mizrahi
14 hours ago
2
related: judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/26760/…
– Loewian
13 hours ago
1
@rosends as I understand it, you're not even obligated to obey your parents if they instruct you to violate halacha, and a sibling wouldn't have higher standing than parents.
– Monica Cellio♦
13 hours ago