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When did Lisp start using symbols for arithmetic?



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Looking through the August 1979 issue of Byte magazine, it discusses a dialect of Lisp in which arithmetic operations are denoted by words like PLUS and TIMES.



Later dialects like Common Lisp and Scheme use the symbols common to other languages like + and *.



When did Lisp generally switch from one convention to the other?










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    Are you able to give more information about the dialect of Lisp you were just reading about?

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  • @Wilson It doesn't seem to say what the dialect is specifically called, or if it does, I missed it. The Byte issue can be downloaded in PDF if you want to take a look yourself.

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Looking through the August 1979 issue of Byte magazine, it discusses a dialect of Lisp in which arithmetic operations are denoted by words like PLUS and TIMES.



Later dialects like Common Lisp and Scheme use the symbols common to other languages like + and *.



When did Lisp generally switch from one convention to the other?










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    Are you able to give more information about the dialect of Lisp you were just reading about?

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago











  • @Wilson It doesn't seem to say what the dialect is specifically called, or if it does, I missed it. The Byte issue can be downloaded in PDF if you want to take a look yourself.

    – rwallace
    1 hour ago













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Looking through the August 1979 issue of Byte magazine, it discusses a dialect of Lisp in which arithmetic operations are denoted by words like PLUS and TIMES.



Later dialects like Common Lisp and Scheme use the symbols common to other languages like + and *.



When did Lisp generally switch from one convention to the other?










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Looking through the August 1979 issue of Byte magazine, it discusses a dialect of Lisp in which arithmetic operations are denoted by words like PLUS and TIMES.



Later dialects like Common Lisp and Scheme use the symbols common to other languages like + and *.



When did Lisp generally switch from one convention to the other?







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    Are you able to give more information about the dialect of Lisp you were just reading about?

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  • @Wilson It doesn't seem to say what the dialect is specifically called, or if it does, I missed it. The Byte issue can be downloaded in PDF if you want to take a look yourself.

    – rwallace
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    Are you able to give more information about the dialect of Lisp you were just reading about?

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago











  • @Wilson It doesn't seem to say what the dialect is specifically called, or if it does, I missed it. The Byte issue can be downloaded in PDF if you want to take a look yourself.

    – rwallace
    1 hour ago







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Are you able to give more information about the dialect of Lisp you were just reading about?

– Wilson
14 hours ago





Are you able to give more information about the dialect of Lisp you were just reading about?

– Wilson
14 hours ago













@Wilson It doesn't seem to say what the dialect is specifically called, or if it does, I missed it. The Byte issue can be downloaded in PDF if you want to take a look yourself.

– rwallace
1 hour ago





@Wilson It doesn't seem to say what the dialect is specifically called, or if it does, I missed it. The Byte issue can be downloaded in PDF if you want to take a look yourself.

– rwallace
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Lisp is not a single language, but a whole ecosystem of different languages. Moreover, there's no standard covering all Lisps, like with C or Fortran, so for this reason, + and plus are equally "valid".



When Lisp 1 (March 1960) was written, the primitive operations defined were car, cdr, cons, and, or, cond, etc. The arithmetic operations were not primitives at that time, so the programmers chose their own names.



At least Lisp 1.5 (early 60s) had both.



But this Lisp from 1970 had PLUS and MINUS but no + nor -.



If you consider Scheme (1975) to be a Lisp, then it is a specimen having both + and &+ (the latter is an optimisation for two arguments only).



And Common Lisp (1984) has + but not plus as you have noted.



So I posit that we gradually settled on +-style symbols starting in the 70s, and the situation was a state of flux before then, for the reason that arithmetic operations were not even primitive operations to begin with.






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    Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

    – sds
    14 hours ago






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    @sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago






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    The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

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    8 hours ago











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Lisp is not a single language, but a whole ecosystem of different languages. Moreover, there's no standard covering all Lisps, like with C or Fortran, so for this reason, + and plus are equally "valid".



When Lisp 1 (March 1960) was written, the primitive operations defined were car, cdr, cons, and, or, cond, etc. The arithmetic operations were not primitives at that time, so the programmers chose their own names.



At least Lisp 1.5 (early 60s) had both.



But this Lisp from 1970 had PLUS and MINUS but no + nor -.



If you consider Scheme (1975) to be a Lisp, then it is a specimen having both + and &+ (the latter is an optimisation for two arguments only).



And Common Lisp (1984) has + but not plus as you have noted.



So I posit that we gradually settled on +-style symbols starting in the 70s, and the situation was a state of flux before then, for the reason that arithmetic operations were not even primitive operations to begin with.






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  • 2





    Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

    – sds
    14 hours ago






  • 9





    @sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago






  • 1





    The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

    – another-dave
    8 hours ago















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Lisp is not a single language, but a whole ecosystem of different languages. Moreover, there's no standard covering all Lisps, like with C or Fortran, so for this reason, + and plus are equally "valid".



When Lisp 1 (March 1960) was written, the primitive operations defined were car, cdr, cons, and, or, cond, etc. The arithmetic operations were not primitives at that time, so the programmers chose their own names.



At least Lisp 1.5 (early 60s) had both.



But this Lisp from 1970 had PLUS and MINUS but no + nor -.



If you consider Scheme (1975) to be a Lisp, then it is a specimen having both + and &+ (the latter is an optimisation for two arguments only).



And Common Lisp (1984) has + but not plus as you have noted.



So I posit that we gradually settled on +-style symbols starting in the 70s, and the situation was a state of flux before then, for the reason that arithmetic operations were not even primitive operations to begin with.






share|improve this answer




















  • 2





    Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

    – sds
    14 hours ago






  • 9





    @sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago






  • 1





    The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

    – another-dave
    8 hours ago













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Lisp is not a single language, but a whole ecosystem of different languages. Moreover, there's no standard covering all Lisps, like with C or Fortran, so for this reason, + and plus are equally "valid".



When Lisp 1 (March 1960) was written, the primitive operations defined were car, cdr, cons, and, or, cond, etc. The arithmetic operations were not primitives at that time, so the programmers chose their own names.



At least Lisp 1.5 (early 60s) had both.



But this Lisp from 1970 had PLUS and MINUS but no + nor -.



If you consider Scheme (1975) to be a Lisp, then it is a specimen having both + and &+ (the latter is an optimisation for two arguments only).



And Common Lisp (1984) has + but not plus as you have noted.



So I posit that we gradually settled on +-style symbols starting in the 70s, and the situation was a state of flux before then, for the reason that arithmetic operations were not even primitive operations to begin with.






share|improve this answer















Lisp is not a single language, but a whole ecosystem of different languages. Moreover, there's no standard covering all Lisps, like with C or Fortran, so for this reason, + and plus are equally "valid".



When Lisp 1 (March 1960) was written, the primitive operations defined were car, cdr, cons, and, or, cond, etc. The arithmetic operations were not primitives at that time, so the programmers chose their own names.



At least Lisp 1.5 (early 60s) had both.



But this Lisp from 1970 had PLUS and MINUS but no + nor -.



If you consider Scheme (1975) to be a Lisp, then it is a specimen having both + and &+ (the latter is an optimisation for two arguments only).



And Common Lisp (1984) has + but not plus as you have noted.



So I posit that we gradually settled on +-style symbols starting in the 70s, and the situation was a state of flux before then, for the reason that arithmetic operations were not even primitive operations to begin with.







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    Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

    – sds
    14 hours ago






  • 9





    @sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago






  • 1





    The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

    – another-dave
    8 hours ago












  • 2





    Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

    – sds
    14 hours ago






  • 9





    @sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

    – Wilson
    14 hours ago






  • 1





    The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

    – another-dave
    8 hours ago







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2





Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

– sds
14 hours ago





Common Lisp does have a standard; in fact it was the first object-oriented language to get an ANSI standard.

– sds
14 hours ago




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@sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

– Wilson
14 hours ago





@sds, That's right, but there's no standard that covers everything that I'd personally call Lisp.

– Wilson
14 hours ago




1




1





The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

– another-dave
8 hours ago





The way I read the LISP 1.0 doc, the arithmetic functions have to have alphanumeric names, since they're atoms, and atoms have names that are alphanumeric.

– another-dave
8 hours ago

















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